#idempiere IRC log for Sunday, 2015-02-15

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CarlosRuizHi tbayen19:35
tbayenHi CArlos19:35
CarlosRuizhow are things going?  :)19:36
tbayenI am preparing my projects for my new apprentice. :-)19:36
CarlosRuiz:)19:36
tbayenI am afraid (and I hope) he is not an apprentice but much smarter than me19:37
CarlosRuizI hope so  :)19:38
CarlosRuizseems the wiki is down again19:38
tbayenSince some days I play with several document management systems. I hope to get one working as I want. Then we can do an iDempiere interface.19:38
CarlosRuizI'm in Ecuador - was teaching a training past week19:38
tbayenAnd one thing my new employee has really to do is to set up a nagios instance. And a new wiki server.19:39
CarlosRuizI think DMS is little - I would think to create the functionality as a plugin - could be easier than the integration19:39
CarlosRuizI wrote to you some time ago - that I have a zabbix instance - but I cannot install the zabbix client on wiki19:40
CarlosRuizI can setup zabbix to notify us when the wiki is down - or when the disk is reaching a limit19:41
tbayenWe can do that. But the real solution would be to go to a new server with the wiki. This one was my first and it has still an older traiff with smaller memory and disk. I hope that Diego can do that.19:42
tbayenwiki is rebooted.19:43
tbayenThis error is strange. The server just crashzes. I wonder if there are too mnany things on this one server stealing memory.19:44
tbayenWhy is zabbix better than nagios? Is there a reason to change that?19:45
CarlosRuizjust preference - when I did my review I prefered zabbix - I don't have experience with nagios19:45
CarlosRuizI liked the ease of setup and full web configuration of zabbix19:46
CarlosRuizas I read somewhere nagios doesn't have that out of the box19:46
CarlosRuizbut I can't know I just didn't test it19:46
CarlosRuizit was also very easy to find a postgresql preconfiguration file19:47
tbayenIt was similar for me. I liked that nagios has a long history and very much connectors were already done. I will talk with Diego about that. My former Nagios is down. I want to setup a new one from scratch when he is here.19:48
CarlosRuizI already have the zabbix monitoring all my servers - as well as the idempiere servers that I'm able to control19:49
CarlosRuizwiki is one of those I can't19:49
tbayenWhy? It is just a matter of an html query?19:55
CarlosRuizthat I can setup - but to monitor better the machine and the databases you need to install a zabbix client19:56
tbayenI can do that if you like. Or I give you root access. But I can tell you that this whole machine will be "refactored" in the next months.19:57
CarlosRuizwhatever you prefer - just the wiki issue is becoming concerning - it's crashing too frequently19:58
CarlosRuizmaybe we have some enemies hacking it :DDD19:58
tbayenHmmm... perhaps. But why now?20:00
norbertbede1hi20:00
norbertbede1i suggest to use confluence like jira20:00
tbayenWill it be hard to set up the zabbix agent? I can do it now if you like20:01
norbertbede1we are using it and its very good integration beteen them20:01
norbertbede1its free for opensource community.. can help to maintain20:01
norbertbede1wdyt20:01
tbayenHi norbertbede1 ! :-) What shall we do with Confluence? Instead of the wiki? 8-o20:02
norbertbede1my opinion is the follow20:03
norbertbede11. stable20:03
norbertbede12. deep integration with jira20:03
norbertbede13. macros - small apps able to list tickets by filters etc20:03
norbertbede14. good permission schema20:04
norbertbede15. able to write any plugin for specific tassk (e.g. generate docbook (instead…)20:04
norbertbede16. can be public either private (if required)20:05
norbertbede17. for advanced product management - using spaces as workgoups...20:05
norbertbede1in my opinion jira is not enough for agile approach of product development this is my personal opinion20:06
tbayenI did no20:08
norbertbede1sorry ?20:08
tbayenSorry - my cat...20:08
tbayenI did not work with it yet. But I don't want to do all the wiki work again. That seems an interesting idea to use it as an extension to our tools. Or do you think it will replace the wiki?20:09
norbertbede1will check migration process - maybe something exists well20:09
norbertbede1https://answers.atlassian.com/questions/32751/migrating-documents-from-mediawiki-to-confluence20:10
norbertbede1looks exists migration tool need to test. could help20:11
norbertbede1i can help you study and migrate if top contributors agree.20:12
tbayenI can not see the advantages because I have not enough knowledge. We can discuss that on the mailing list. And I am not sure if I find the time to do that. Perhaps with my new employee in some weeks... I like the know-how about media wiki I collected in the last years and I am a bit afraid to throw this away. But you can try to convince me. :-)20:15
tbayenPerhaps you want to maintain it? I can give some space on the new server for that.20:15
norbertbede1are you running jira  in atlassian cloud or locally ?20:17
norbertbede1is it for free or payed instance20:17
CarlosRuizjira is atlassian cloud / free20:19
norbertbede1then you can request confluence. and we can test it - behind20:20
norbertbede1i can maintan and setup it20:20
norbertbede1minimally run it with good start - then i try out way how to migrate all data,20:21
norbertbede1only 1 question im asking myself how to generate documentation from idempiere to wiki20:21
norbertbede1if i remember well there are some scripts responsible for this.20:22
norbertbede1need more details how20:22
CarlosRuizThomas Thiessen did a big effort to make the wiki a farm multi-language20:22
CarlosRuiznot sure if confluence will migrate the same?20:23
norbertbede1can we identify exact imporvements of mediawiki ?20:24
norbertbede1was done by Thissem20:24
norbertbede1i am sure conflience can do anything. would be nice to know our requirements20:26
norbertbede1anyway if tbayen help me collect requiremnts. then i can make evaluation of applicability20:31
tbayenTHe technology behind the multi-language wiki was done by me. I am the specialist. TThiessen was the one who begged me to do that. ;-) And he does much work in synchronizing the languages and keeping a structure.20:33
tbayenI do not think that any software can do that in this multi-language way. That is because it is strong maintained from the wikipedia community.20:34
norbertbede1drop any link to that20:34
norbertbede1to community work pls20:34
tbayenIf confluence really has advantages because it works together with jira than it sounds more like a developer thing. And developer things are english anyways. We can think about dividing the developer things to a jira-connecxted confluence and keep the user documentation in the multilanguage wiki.20:35
norbertbede1is this that ? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Multilingual_MediaWiki20:36
tbayenI dont undertstand. Which link? Which community?20:36
norbertbede1i thought mediawiki multilingual support20:37
norbertbede1hey. but we can skip this chat.20:37
tbayenYes, it seems so that this is it. There are several things that are to be connected the right way. One thing is linkage between the wikis, one thing is the translation overview at the left side and one thing is the single sign on.20:38
norbertbede1if its not reasonable. then i dont need to envageluse20:38
tbayenIf it has an advantage then we should evaluate it. But not for users, only for developers.20:38
tbayenIt may be an advantage for the project if we differentiate these two things a bit more.20:39
norbertbede1so the main point is to have all content (generated/manual written) in same structure20:41
norbertbede1https://marketplace.atlassian.com/plugins/ch.bitvoodoo.confluence.plugins.language20:43
norbertbede1but not as you want exactly20:43
norbertbede1achieved by custom macros20:43
norbertbede1another one https://marketplace.atlassian.com/plugins/com.k15t.scroll.scroll-translations20:45
norbertbede1but this available only for on demand installation20:45
norbertbede1its german plugin :)20:54
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