#idempiere IRC log for Wednesday, 2015-02-11

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JanThielemanngood morning @ all07:05
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red1.07:51
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red1Hello Hesham hahmed ?13:06
hahmedHey red113:06
red1Its been a long time, how you been?13:07
hahmedgreat man, just busy with other stuff13:07
hahmedhow about you13:07
red1OK, well as usual here13:08
red1So had you came around Malaysia?13:08
hahmedI was there till September last year13:08
red1OK, that time i was in Africa13:09
red1so now you back to using iDempiere?13:09
hahmedoh how was it13:09
hahmedwell I am always with iDempiere13:09
hahmedjust not that active anymore13:09
red1OK, nice to see you back anyway13:10
red1Today Carlos is on leave.. rare but it happens13:10
hahmedHow was Africa13:11
hahmedi see there is a good market for iDempiere13:11
red1Yes everywhere it is growing.. Africa is another new world going thru belated development13:12
hahmedyeah in KSA (where I operate from) its very difficult to market iDempiere13:14
hahmedspecially since finance is really never an issue here!!!13:14
hahmedI mean companies are really not interested in saving money, or with the fact that open source will give them something THEY own not something SAP, Oracle, MS etc owns13:14
hahmedthe usual response we get is, oh we don’t have any issues paying $4,000,000 to SAP, we just want to a BIG name for our ERP13:15
hahmedso red1 what is your main target size for iDempiere implementations, I mean do you primarily target SMB or large enterprises13:17
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red1hahmed: my advice will be not to sell as Free Lunch13:30
red1you probably know i always preach this13:31
red1sell as freedom where SAP cannot provide13:31
red1freedom to fit into any case13:31
red1at a high cost of course13:31
red1invest in some advertising13:31
hahmedyeah, thats what we try to do13:31
red1and that takes a lot of imagination13:31
red1my love of branding help shape what i been doing here13:31
red1its my bigger love (art) than science13:32
hahmedwe need branding for iDempiere13:32
hahmedthats very important13:32
red1i am planning something big in due time, to make the RedHat of ERP13:32
hahmedits MUCH better now13:32
red1yes our bet was right13:32
red1its a matter of time13:32
hahmedthe forking and the politics have caused a lot of damage13:32
red1but i still get the free lunch syndrome around13:32
red1yes necessary to clear the dirt13:33
red1it could be worse13:33
red1as seen with Compiere it is as good as dead13:33
hahmedeffort that could’ve all gone into iDempiere now goes into three projects13:33
red1we survive and that is what is important13:33
red1it does not impact that way13:33
red1most good things remains open and there is merging between all three13:33
red1as the community are also involved that way13:34
hahmedyeah I am talking about branding efforts13:34
red1but they culminate here where those developers prefer13:34
red1fragmentation is part of marketing maturity13:34
hahmedI now have to tell my customers to search for iDempiere, Adempiere, Compiere and OpenBravo to actually see the size of the project13:35
red1including from Openbravo and OpenERP or Odoo brought interest in FOSS ERP13:35
red1and eventually many arrived here from them13:35
red1this is a healthy sign13:35
hahmedfor FOSS its great, forking is the biggest blessing of FOSS, but for branding and marketing it hurts13:35
red1thats the market price for such things13:36
red1so lets focus on that which is a gap13:36
red1not on the technical13:36
red1for technical, collaborate openly and save cost13:37
red1invidividual distros bring out a level market13:37
hahmedyeah agreed13:37
red1eventually an 'IBM' level comes in13:37
red1many also broke the GPL law13:37
red1they refused to share without knowing they are breaking the law they agree when they download it13:37
red1but that is not important, just inefficient13:38
red1the internet is viral so i am worried about lack of marketing, it will just take a spark13:38
red1i mean i am NOT worried13:38
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red1so far we own no staff nor liability, it remains utterly free13:39
red1no other FOSS ERP can claim that13:39
red1what is free and unpaid cannot die13:39
hahmedyeah thats the best thing, iDempiere is the only community run ERP project13:39
hahmedno VC backing, no “ENTERPRISE VERSION”13:40
red1its growing a lot in the JIRA side, that peer review cannot keep up13:40
red1patches pour in there13:40
hahmedyeah we need more testing and top level development13:40
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JanThielemann.14:50
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aguerrahello every body!!!15:00
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hieplqhi @tbayen again notify wiki has issue :D17:40
tbayenmom...17:41
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tbayenWiki is up again. Thanks for the info.17:45
tbayenThat was another issue. Not the usual "disk full". A real crash. 8-o17:46
hieplqbut same solution, just restart server :D17:46
tbayenNo. The "disk full" means: login, delete something, start "reboot" command (just to be sure, but possibly not needed). Today was "going to the server console and pull the plug out of the wall".17:48
tbayenPossible the machine needs more memory. I hope my new apprentice can care about that. He starts in some weeks. :-)17:50
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hieplqrelate IDEMPIERE-2112, you can list all current shortcut of swing? i will try implement it and after that make it configuration17:53
tbayenI wrote this issue together with Carlos. We found out that it is not easy to find good shortcuts in zk because the browser changes and filters some interesting things. So I would say that we try to find "good" shortcuts. But they do not have to be equal to Swing.17:55
tbayenAnother thing is that we thought if we want to make this configurable. Personally I don't think that this is needed in the database. Nobody will really change that. But if you collect the shortcuts in one file in the sourcecode it would be configurable for a developer (or even as a plugin if you really need that).17:57
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hieplqsure. with configurable we let end user improve his list.17:57
tbayengtg. bye!18:14
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jfranciscoHi community22:12
jfranciscoI have reinstalled my operating system ubuntu 12.04, openjdk-6, eclipse and tomcat 722:13
jfranciscoand I have imported adempiere project22:14
jfranciscowhen I run tomcat server22:14
jfranciscoit show me the follow error message:22:14
jfranciscojava.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.adempiere.webui.session.WebUIServlet22:14
jfrancisco¿any suggestions?22:15
jfranciscoplease22:25
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