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'''''CarlosRuiz''''': Good Morning 
'''''a42niem''''': Guten Tag Carlos 
'''''nmicoud''''': Bonjour 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I'll be checking the peer review queue - open to suggestions :) 
'''''nmicoud''''': what about http://jira.idempiere.com/browse/IDEMPIERE-528 ? 
'''''a42niem''''': do you still consider 361 extensions or should it be added to idempiere? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': nmicoud, past meeting you said you were going to do some changes? 
'''''nmicoud''''': oops 
'''''nmicoud''''': it was about using @field@=value instaed of list field 
'''''nmicoud''''': yep.... totally forgotten 
'''''nmicoud''''': then, i'll work on it. anyway, do you have some feedback about it ? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': about the security 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': in the case of user window vs contact tab on bp 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': my suggestion was to make it work like -> if the user doesn't have access to the window that is resolved with the zoom condition - then fall back to the default window defined on table 
'''''nmicoud''''': i've updated jira ticket 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': yep - I read that - just suggesting that instead of getting the error message we could try to fall back to the default on table 
'''''nmicoud''''': i would say that if he don't have the right to open the window, then he couldn't zoom 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': or we could make it configurable? maybe add a column to the zoom condition AD_ZoomCondition.IsFallBackToDefault 
'''''nmicoud''''': today, if you want to zoom, but don't have privilege, you just cant 
'''''nmicoud''''': ok for adding this checkbox 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': the reasoning behind this 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': is because you could use this feature for a different purpose 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': you could create some specialized windows for certain roles 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': so, if you're in an admin role you can zoom to a window with more privileges - and normal users will zoom to restricted privileges window 
'''''nmicoud''''': or maybe this can be handled with ad_role_id in the ad_ZoomCondition ? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': if using context - then is just add the condition @#AD_Role_ID@=NN 
'''''nmicoud''''': or maybe if more than one window is retrieved, we could order them using a sequence ? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': ah, that sounds good too - because we could have several conditions in such case 
'''''nmicoud''''': Add SeqNo and we will prefer the lower one 
'''''tbayen''''': H 
'''''tbayen''''': Daarestiet alltogether! 
'''''nmicoud''''': i'll do this and update ticket 
'''''nmicoud''''': Hi Thomas 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': Hi Thomas 
'''''tbayen''''': Had anyone time to look into my small Swingin' contributions 572,573,574,587? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': will try to check 
'''''tbayen''''': Begin with the first three. That are very small patches for better usbility. 
'''''nmicoud''''': i've read them but not tested ; anyway, i also love swing ! 
'''''tbayen''''': nmicoud, :-) 
'''''tbayen''''': Do you know other things in swing to improve usability? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I think it would be great if swing can have its own maintenance team 
'''''nmicoud''''': ticket 325 (a very powerful one) and quick entry 
'''''tbayen''''': Yes, would be great. But time of all of us is limited. :-( 
'''''nmicoud''''': yep 
'''''tbayen''''': yep great or yep limited? ;-) 
'''''nmicoud''''': both ;) ; SaveAndCreate button could be a 1st step 
'''''a42niem''''': great and limited... 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': Thomas - the ticket about configuring list view is IDEMPIERE-364 
'''''nmicoud''''': Will try to work on it 
'''''tbayen''''': We can begin with collecting issues. Then we will see who will help to manage that. 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': ah, you already linked it 
'''''tbayen''''': CarlosRuiz, thanks. I found it in the meantime. 
'''''tbayen''''': I opened ticket "588 - Swing client improvement" to collect all issues. 
'''''tbayen''''': nmicoud, did I understand you want to join the maintenance team? 
'''''nmicoud''''': yes, count me in :) 
'''''tbayen''''': :-) 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': there are a lot 
'''''tbayen''''': Waht is SaveAndCreate? Just a button that does first Save and then New? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': yep 
'''''tbayen''''': It is a bit annoying that many issues are solved in zk and the tracker is closed. :-( 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': would you link the swing security to 588? 
'''''tbayen''''': Is there an ticket about swing security? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': ah, no, I think you opened is a wiki page 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': functionalities that I remember on zk not in swing: 
'''''tbayen''''': Yes, I did. I write it in a comment. 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': - form layout http://wiki.idempiere.org/en/NF001_FormLayout 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': that one is maybe the most important IMHO - because it is creating some duplicate effort to try to maintain both different approaches to position fields 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': http://wiki.idempiere.org/en/NF001_QuickEntry 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': http://wiki.idempiere.org/en/NF001_CustomWindowToolbarButton 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': http://wiki.idempiere.org/en/NF001_ColumnToolbarButton 
'''''nmicoud''''': active session and broadcast message (even if i have no idea on how to do it in swing) 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': - on the Welcome screen the Recent Items 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': and the new portlets to show reports (not sure if this works on swing) 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': - the little new icon in front of menu and favourites options 
'''''a42niem''''': and the calendar stuff 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': - setup wizard form doesn't have swing counterpart 
'''''nmicoud''''': Print format wizard 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': and the tab editor 
'''''tbayen''''': Can you explain "the little new icon in front of menu and favourites options" 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I mean - the little [New] icon 
'''''nmicoud''''': little new icon : on idempieme favourites menu, next to the menu node, there is a new icon which open the window in creation mode 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': ah / more features / in zk we implemented some zoom functionality from the ending message of a process - or the process log 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': IDEMPIERE-370 
'''''Deepak''''': Also we addded same for process calling from button 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': Hi Deepak 
'''''Deepak''''': Hello Carlos 
'''''Deepak''''': Also kill Session features 
'''''Deepak''''': Broadcasting messages 
'''''tbayen''''': Deepak, is this a different issue? At the ending of a process does count even when calling from button!? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': microsoft spamming wiki? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': http://wiki.idempiere.org/wiki/Google_is_known_as_one_of_the_most_popular_search_engines 
'''''tbayen''''': I wonder if we have to check users manually before let them write. :-( 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': well - the spamming stopped when I forced editors to have mail verified - now we have lots of new spam users - but they don't verify mail so they cannot edit pages 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': but from time to time someone do the complete job :) 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': but this page is curious - adding a link to bing 
'''''tbayen''''': OK - I see you have an eye on that. 
'''''tbayen''''': Perhaps it is about doing some stuff not to wake up an anit-spam bot. 
'''''tbayen''''': And later begin the bad work. 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': yep 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': will delete and block this one 
'''''Deepak''''': I do not understood question, We added link when process called from button generating a document 
'''''Deepak''''': This link can be used to navigate to newly generated record 
'''''tbayen''''': I heard that the good working wiki spam is no more done by robots but by humans in third-world-countries. The take every hurdle like a human because they are humans. 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': we have a spammer called NorbertyqkkbhbbmgHelfritz 
'''''tbayen''''': Deepak, ok. I take it on my list 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': yes Thomas - that's the conclusion - even the image captcha that just humans are supposed to pass didn't stop spammers - so I guess those are humans getting cents for each spam link 
'''''tbayen''''': Do you thing Norbert slips in? ;-D 
'''''tbayen''''': I did a list at http://wiki.idempiere.org/en/Swing_Maintenance_Team 
'''''tbayen''''': I would like to sort it by importance but I do not know all these features in zk. Perhaps someone can join the maintenance team and do that ;-) 
'''''nmicoud''''': ok fine ; will try to work on Save&Create button asap ; maybe we could have a place where we could "reserve" some tickets. 
'''''tbayen''''': I created IDEMPIERE-588 and linked some things as blocking issues. 
'''''tbayen''''': If things are exactly described in a ticket but only implemented in zk should we do a new ticket or reopen the old one (example: IDEMPIERE-234) 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I would suggest independent tickets 
'''''nmicoud''''': I've completed http://jira.idempiere.com/browse/IDEMPIERE-90 on 361 but as nobody seems interested i never upload it. I could try to implement it into iDempiere and upload it for peer review 
'''''tbayen''''': Hehe - it is on my watchlist. 
'''''nmicoud''''': i know 
'''''tbayen''''': Please do that. It sound very interesting. 
'''''nmicoud''''': that is :) 
'''''tbayen''''': a42niem, you did not really answer yesterday on my question. Now that Carlos raised the question: Do you want to take part in the Swing Maintenance Team? 
'''''tbayen''''': ;-) 
'''''tbayen''''': If have no zk server running atm and I implemented IDEMPIERE-587 yesterday (Process Buttons in the toolbar). How is this done in zk? Are all buttons away in the record form? 
'''''a42niem''''': tbayen: yes sir! 
'''''tbayen''''': I feel that every member should be guilty to do one small issue a week and in three months we can think about the future. Hehe 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': tbayen, is it configured now with a flag IsToolbarButton 
'''''tbayen''''': Ah, I remember! I used that. Have to check my code if I use it consistently. 
'''''nmicoud''''': yesterday, i've started to play with Dashboards. Seems that in the dashbord preference window, the user and the role are mandatory. It means that you have to create one record per dashbord/user ? It's very long, no ? or i miss something ? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': let me check ... 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': ah, preference 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': the preference is intended to save the user preferences per role - you don't need to edit records there - they are saved when you move/collapse portlets 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': to add something to the dashboard you must use the content window 
'''''nmicoud''''': that's weird. Yeesterday, i added a panel (html test or something like that) ; i never could see it. I had to add it on the preference window 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': ah, that is probably a failure 
'''''nmicoud''''': ah ok 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': preferences are created when you login first time - and they if you add a new content is not added 
'''''nmicoud''''': could you try to add a new dashbord to confirm ? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': you can reset that also deleting all your preferences and login again 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': it will create the new content 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': but I think that's not the desired behavior 
'''''nmicoud''''': no, but it's good to know 
'''''tbayen''''': nmicoud, I have a SaveAndCreate button. What do you want to change? 
'''''nmicoud''''': in swing mode ? 
'''''tbayen''''': Yes - right near "Save". 
'''''tbayen''''': Bitbucket says it is done 2011-02-08 by hengsin 
'''''nmicoud''''': mistaken then ; 
'''''tbayen''''': One item from the list! We are fast! :-) 
'''''nmicoud''''': already done ! 1 good point for swing maintenance team! 
'''''nmicoud''''': :)) 
'''''tbayen''''': I was afraid if someone could hold the pace of hengsin pushing zk forward. But if we can do it in zero-time we can catch him! 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': ah tbayen - somebody answered your post 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': he's right - a swing needed feature is the webstart 
'''''tbayen''''': Yes 
'''''tbayen''''': We talked about the security issue last time. 
'''''nmicoud''''': +1 for webstart ; we talked with CarlosRuiz some times ago ; a guy from ecuador (if i remember well) said he could do it, any news ? 
'''''tbayen''''': I proposed to get a one-time password from the server and keep it in a signed jarfile. A time after our chat I realized that we described webstart (without saving the preferences). 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': no news from Ecuador - and in this case - no news is not good news :) 
'''''tbayen''''': Yes - webstart should be our No 1 because not having it decreases popularity very much. Many users will never even try it out. 
'''''nmicoud''''': i agree, but have no idea on how to do it 
'''''tbayen''''': I did a wenstart app some time ago. It was a bit hard to get all the signing stuff going. And I feel really fear about getting this into the idempiere buidling process. I do not understand a bit of buckminster and the stuff. 
'''''tbayen''''': We could take it into parts. I will do a proof of concept and explain how it goes and someone integrates it into the buildscripts. 
'''''nmicoud''''': yes 
'''''tbayen''''': Or is anybody used to the old webstart scripts? It may be easy to reactivate it?!? 
'''''nmicoud''''': Carlos suggest this : 
'''''nmicoud''''': perhaps a post-installation task? as I remember it was basically to add some packed jars to download and a .jnlp descriptor so maybe is something like - packing part of the swing installer - copying into a download folder from tomcat - and adding a .jnlp I think webstart require the jar to be signed - so that would be an additional step 
'''''nmicoud''''': he also say that Hen Sin could have some suggestion 
'''''tbayen''''': Yes I wanted to ask Heng Sin first. He broke it. May be he knows how to fix it. 
'''''nmicoud''''': :) 
'''''nmicoud''''': Maybe create a ticket and ask for HengSin suggestion. Everything will be in this place then 
'''''tbayen''''': I did not want to overload jira with tickets for every item on the list. But this one is definitely worth it. I will create this ticket. 
'''''nmicoud''''': ok 
'''''tbayen''''': IDEMPIERE-591 
'''''nmicoud''''': now, we can light a candle :) 
'''''tbayen''''': <O--<EEEI 
'''''tbayen''''': CarlosRuiz, there is no field in the database where isToolbarButton is false, or am I wrong? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': not at this moment - we're considering to review which buttons deserves to be direct on window 
'''''tbayen''''': OK - I will implement it this way. I think the Document closing buttons belong to the document not the toolbar. 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': DocAction 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': we'll try to review that / probably today 
'''''tbayen''''': Yes. It is a single line of SQL. 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': yep - the thing is about which buttons deserve to be on the window - and which not 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I'm thinking those buttons that are mandatory part of the process must be visible 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': like the DocAction 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': still not sure if that's the rule :) 
'''''tbayen''''': Buttons that influence more than a single record belong to the toolbar. 
'''''buildmaster''''': Project iDempiere build #696: SUCCESS in 7 min 35 sec: http://jenkins.idempiere.com/job/iDempiere/696/ 
'''''buildmaster''''': globalqss: IDEMPIERE-362 Hide things that don't work on iDempiere 
'''''nmicoud''''': "hidding" DocAction could be a good thing as users often confuse DocStatus and DocAction 
'''''nmicoud''''': But having DocAction on the window is fast. Maybe (another) param to say if DocAction buttons should be on toolbar or window, according to role ? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': we had an idea before to change the name of that button - instead of showing the action "Complete" "Close" 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': just to show a name "Action Workflow" 
'''''nmicoud''''': +10000 for that 
'''''tbayen''''': It could be only a matter of translation - choosing the right term to explain it. 
'''''nmicoud''''': and just "Action" ? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': is kind of confusing as Nicolas says - some documents are Complete / and action shows Reverse 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': so user can get confused if the doc is complete or reversed 
'''''nmicoud''''': yes, having a single name for the button (or no button at all) resolves the matter 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': and now the button on toolbar is changing name each time - and sometimes is shown empty 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': kind of confusing too 
'''''nmicoud''''': A static name is also better because, even if you click on "Complete" y ou are allowed to void it 
'''''tbayen''''': You do not need the status field if the button field changes his name. So one or the other is too much. 
'''''tbayen''''': Perhaps we can change the layout to let a combination of button and status become one component. 
'''''tbayen''''': There are 285 Buttons in the database. I wish you a good afternoon, CarlosRuiz ;-) 
'''''nmicoud''''': Means that you will click on a button with a label 'Draft' for completing it ? 
'''''tbayen''''': No, it means a label and a button directly near each other: A Label "Draft" with a small Button "Process" near it. Or just a Gear button? 
'''''tbayen''''': Gear image 
'''''nmicoud''''': a kind of location button ? 
'''''tbayen''''': Yes, like this 
'''''nmicoud''''': means that we should create a new kind of field ; kind of "DocStatusAction" 
'''''nmicoud''''': not so simple, as i imagine DocAction should be hardcoded 
'''''hahmed''''': Hello Everyone 
'''''nmicoud''''': Hi 
'''''hahmed''''': I have a quick question (that I am sure was mentioned here and I missed) 
'''''hahmed''''': what is the new user/password for demo.idempiere.com 
'''''tbayen''''': The question is: Is this better for the user interface or not. I am not sure because I have not so much experience. But if yes it can be done. 
'''''nmicoud''''': superuser @ idempiere.com / System 
'''''nmicoud''''': CarlosRuiz, why the panel with the user/password is not shown on the login page ? 
'''''hahmed''''': I knew this one however it wasn't working earlier for me. works fine now thanks alot nmicloud 
'''''tbayen''''': I heard this question the tenth time. Has it a reason that we use the email for login in the demo? This seems worth a ticket too. ;-) 
'''''tbayen''''': I just had a call. At friday I will meet with the university and fix the schedule for the "iDempiere World Conference". 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': nmicoud, I fixed that some time ago - and it's broken again 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I think it could be because I changed the hostname of the demo site on linux 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': will need to check it again 
'''''nmicoud''''': ok 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I also added the button "Help?" to explain the login process and provide those default passwords 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': but Help is not used :) 
'''''nmicoud''''': yes :) 
'''''tbayen''''': :) 
'''''tbayen''''': Thet is the last place where I would look... 
'''''tbayen''''': gtg, cu later 
'''''tbayen''''': Nice meeting, thanks! 
'''''nmicoud''''': bye bye 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': gtg too / thanks for the meeting

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